20,000 New Troops
A drop in the bucket.
I applaud the spirit of not wanting to "give up", but it's time we finally help the situation by leaving. Yes, there will be civil war when we leave: there is already civil war.
People who advocate risking the lives of more troops start with the assumption that we can "win the war." Such people don't take the time to define what such a victory would look like. Is it the end of sectarian violence? Over a thousand years of violence isn't going to end with an additional 20,000 troops, and I've yet to hear an argument as to how these extra troops are going to overcome all of the problems we've had to this point. Is it establishing a government? We've already done that. Eliminating WMD? They were never there. Training more police and army forces? Talabani has said that Iraqi troops are sufficiently trained since 2005. Ensure that the government does not collapse? Our presence has no impact on this; the Iranian's have already offered to support the government if asked, and if we're worried about handing Iraq over to Iran, we already fucked that when we invaded.
I wish we wouldn't send the troops, but I don't think the Democrats have the political cohesion to block funding for the additional troops. Some Democrats are saying (incorrectly) that it is unconstitutional for the congress to deny the president funding for the troops. Unless moderate Dems decide to bring the troops home now, we'll unnecessarily put more young Americans in harms way and run-up the deficit another 100 billion dollars or so.
Wake up Mr. President. There's nothing left to win in Iraq.
Posted by Peter.
I applaud the spirit of not wanting to "give up", but it's time we finally help the situation by leaving. Yes, there will be civil war when we leave: there is already civil war.
People who advocate risking the lives of more troops start with the assumption that we can "win the war." Such people don't take the time to define what such a victory would look like. Is it the end of sectarian violence? Over a thousand years of violence isn't going to end with an additional 20,000 troops, and I've yet to hear an argument as to how these extra troops are going to overcome all of the problems we've had to this point. Is it establishing a government? We've already done that. Eliminating WMD? They were never there. Training more police and army forces? Talabani has said that Iraqi troops are sufficiently trained since 2005. Ensure that the government does not collapse? Our presence has no impact on this; the Iranian's have already offered to support the government if asked, and if we're worried about handing Iraq over to Iran, we already fucked that when we invaded.
I wish we wouldn't send the troops, but I don't think the Democrats have the political cohesion to block funding for the additional troops. Some Democrats are saying (incorrectly) that it is unconstitutional for the congress to deny the president funding for the troops. Unless moderate Dems decide to bring the troops home now, we'll unnecessarily put more young Americans in harms way and run-up the deficit another 100 billion dollars or so.
Wake up Mr. President. There's nothing left to win in Iraq.
Posted by Peter.
posted by PWN at 8:01 AM
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